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HatChick's avatar

I love it when it’s just the three of you. I know you guys are changing things up a bit, but please don’t feel compelled to have guests every single episode.

Rabbit Of Death's avatar

Listening to the Pod Saves America guy glazing Mamdami put me off my breakfast

Voegeli's avatar

Came here to say almost exactly that… they sounded like my high school classmates when they came back from a One Direction concert.

Rabbit Of Death's avatar

Yep that’s 100% the vibe

Justin, History Sage's avatar

That and Jon Stewart sucking his dick really annoys me. "Jackie Robinson Moment" really diminishes what Jackie Robinson did. Not as bad as the Dept. of Defense erasing his page because of "DEI" but still just really not a good choice of words.

Victor's avatar

Stewart is so hit or miss. He only calls bullshit on the left sometimes. He’ll do this, but then also hold Kamala’s feet to the fire.

Victor's avatar

I can only imagine.

Frank Scardino's avatar

Ta-Nehisi-Coates' from Between the World and Me re 9/11:

"I stood on the roof of an apartment building with your mother, your aunt Chana, and her boyfriend, Jamal. … Everyone knew someone who knew someone who was missing. But looking out upon the ruins of America, my heart was cold. … Bin Laden was not the first man to bring terror to that section of the city. I never forgot that. Neither should you."

....

"I could see no difference between the officer who killed Prince Jones and the police who died, or the firefighters who died [in 9/11]. They were not human to me. Black, white, or whatever, they were the menaces of nature; they were the fire, the comet, the storm, which could-with no

justification---shatter my body."

What a lovely chap. Amazing that this was published in 2015. He had 14 years to think about 9/11 and he spits out this psychotic drivel.

Matt Welch's avatar

"They were not human to me" is just amazing to say out loud.

Randolph Carter's avatar

That's how you can tell he's super authentic! 🙄

Justin, History Sage's avatar

That's because black people who become cops turn into white people and white people are bad!

Spencer's avatar

It’s a good way to sell books, though, apparently.

Ameya A's avatar

It would be ok if he followed up with how he grew up and overcame his hatred but instead he tries to justify it.

JP's avatar

"Was silence not an option?"

- Ta-Nehisi Coates

Sionann Monroe's avatar

Boy I am not going to miss hearing about this mayoral election every fucking day.

Matt Welch's avatar

It's not our fault the guest cancelled!

TheNuclearBlonde's avatar

Put me in coach. Any time

Edward Ashton, Jr.'s avatar

Yeah we should start having listener-as-guest episodes, see if anyone listens to them. I’d love to give it a try. I can talk for hours about the exquisite joys—audial and borderline sensual—of a perfectly balanced Bavarian inline-6 engine mated to a 6-speed manual with a smooth clutch and a tight suspension and responsive-but-not-TOO-twitchy steering rack; or American regional differences, especially with regard to New York/New England and the South (plus St. Louis), and how they spring at least in part from the folkways of the people who settled those areas; or about my favorite band on earth, which I think would go over semi-well with (at most) one member of our beloved Trinity here. Or politics, I definitely know too much about politics for someone who doesn’t follow it for a living—but hey, I’m the sort of sicko you’re gonna attract doing a show like this! Just saying, I know my offer is a tempting one, and it stands indefinitely fellas. Would be delighted to do a double-header with the mysterious unnamed nuclear blonde as well; it was her idea, after all.

Victor's avatar

You can talk about nuclear! Who doesn’t love it?

chalupa batman's avatar

That BMW will spend too much time in the shop and cost 2.5x for those visits. Give me Japanese all day.

Speaking of should I get the ‘26 Honda passport trail sport elite or ‘26 Subaru Outback wilderness? Either will be half as fun as the BMW, but both will make it past 200k miles.

Human Being's avatar

I’m glad I’m not the only person who doesn’t see Mamdani as especially authentic or charismatic. To me, his demeanor comes across as smarmy and glib, like a salesman. Even if I agreed with his politics, I’d have a hard time voting for him because that sort of vibe really rubs me the wrong way.

Edward Ashton, Jr.'s avatar

Eh I dunno, I met the guy once ... truncated because I basically wrote a more thorough version of this as a reply to Tyler down below, and I can't have TWO embarrassingly long comments so close to one another, lol. So in the unlikely event that anyone's interested, they can read my reply further down in this comment section.

Floofy Footed Pony's avatar

He's exactly as authentic as Vivek.

Matt's avatar

Doesn’t tilt his head as frequently.

AXL's avatar

I feel like agreeing to an interview with Isaac Chotiner is a bit like building a golem. You think you can control it but in the end it gets you. He’s just so good at what he does

Evan Besser's avatar

Anytime merch is mentioned, I will remind Moynihan that he owes me a shirt from the Miami shows. Unfortunately only Matt reads the comments.

At this point, I enjoy having a stock comment over the shirt (jk, I want the shirt).

At this point

Victor's avatar

It’s fun making fun of Michael for that reason. He’s not here to defend himself, and it amuses Matt.

Randolph Carter's avatar

Kmele's pronunciation of "adjudication" in the context of figuring out whether or not someone is being anti-Semitic makes me think we should call that process "Ajewdication"

Tyler's avatar

I have no idea if people are kidding when they say Mamdani is good at this… what in the hell am I missing?

Trump, as much as I dislike him, is good at this in the way I believe Mamdani is trying to be.

Newsome, as much as I dislike him, is good at this in the way I think Mamdani is trying to be.

Mamdani is awful at this. He’s a photogenic minority that is just giving everyone everything they want. He has zero and will never have (unless he pivots drastically) any impact on anything outside of NYC or if he moves like an LA or SF. Maybe Chicago would too because they also just like punishing themselves.

Trump and Newsome are just outright populists who will do and say anything to get what they believe their base is to like them. However, they know enough to answer (if badly) questions but even more usefully to what they’re doing, redirect all questions away from their positions and turn the question into a comment on their opponents. Just redirection and obfuscation.

Mamdani from what I have seen does not have this ability. First he cannot answer any questions. And worse for him, he cannot redirect and pivot. He keeps getting trapped and pinned down and then instead of evening out his position (even if lying) for a broader audience and tempering his views with maybe a “that’s what my opponents keep saying but really what I’m asking isn’t so crazy it’s X” he instead double and triples down on his crazy fucking views and then cannot even answer a follow up question on them.

I truly do not get it at all. Trump, hate him, I see where his appeal comes from in that bastardized/twisted politics. Newsome, hate him, see how his chameleon like nature and smarminess can be a positive. Pelosi, hate her, can appreciate how she knows the business of politics and can scheme and operate. Even a MTG, hate her the most and worst of all of them, I can see where the appeal is to her no holds barred brand of crazy lunacy. For the people that just want to go all in on lunacy, she (until recently) never backtracked, never apologized, never got wrong footed because she just barreled ahead with crazy.

Mamdani I truly do not get any of his appeal. He strikes me as the loser in college who really kept trying to be cool when everyone including the genuinely odd people were like “dude, we figured this out in high school. Stop trying so hard. Just be a real person”. He’s like the populism of Trump, mixed with the smarmy/fakeness of Newsome, and the extremism of AOC, with absolutely zero percent of what any of them bring as a positives despite all of their individual faults.

I really really do not understand it at all. I swear it boils down to he’s a decent looking, young minority that’s progressive and literally that and only that alone can win you mayor of the largest city in the US. Considering the massive faults of everyone I’ve already used as examples, really I guess should not be so surprising.

Tyler's avatar

I just typed out this entire thing and sent it, all the while forgetting Chicago’s mayor (my mayor) is Brandon Johnson. Hahahaha he is such a non entity horrifyingly bad mayor I honest to god forget he exists. But the second I remembered it, I realized how insane it is to be surprised by Mamdani. Our city kicked Lightfoot out, said she did a terrible job and then elected a guy who tripled down on everything everyone hated Lightfoot for.

The middle of the road candidate was Paul Vallas. CEO of CPS (Chicago public schools), and was far and away lead after the first round of voting. Some group put millions behind how he was secretly a Republican (yes the head of CPS was labeled a secret republican), and that was enough to apparently swing enough votes to Johnson.

God what a pathetic city we are. We might impeach Johnson and then probably vote in Cori Bush hoping to see change. Absolutely pathetic.

Edward Ashton, Jr.'s avatar

Lol my ladyfriend and I almost moved to Chicago after spending much of the pandemic in St. Louis where she's from (that way we could be closer to her family—we had only gone to STL in the first place because her father died), but we decided against it for various reasons, partly to do with Chicago but also because our whole life that we've built is here in New York.

But I worried about stuff like you're talking about if I'm honest. (I also have a weird, deep aversion to very flat places, so Illinois and that whole section of the Midwest gives me the heebie-jeebies because the flatness goes on forever—no offense or anything, just a hangup I have after living in or near mountains my whole life. Makes it easy to ride a bike though, on the positive side.) It would be quite the twist if you ended up recruiting STL's finest congresswoman hoping to trade up, lol; that would make STL people so mad—classic one-way rivalry between those two cities.

FWIW, I think Mamdani—based on what we know now! important caveat!—has better instincts, and better people available to counsel him, than Brandon Johnson. A low bar, no question, but hey, I'll take what comfort I can get.

Edward Ashton, Jr.'s avatar

Eh I dunno, I met the guy once (briefly tbf)—his (rent-stabilized) apartment is over by our neighborhood park, like a quarter-mile from my (market-rate) apartment—and I can’t lie: he was very charming. Very engaging, asked questions and *actually listened to my answers* and even followed up a couple times (by no means a given with pols), sometimes offering a surprisingly thoughtful response. I’m still not voting for the guy—though I don’t know who the fuck I’m voting for at this point; I find Sliwa more appealing than shitbag Cuomo (who chased Andy Byford out of town, for which I'll never forgive him), just in that “only in New York do you meet such charmingly eccentric nutbags as this guy” kinda way that he absolutely radiates 100% of the time—but I do, at this point, understand his appeal. It comes across very well one-on-one (I had the same reactions as you at first). And he seems to really, genuinely give a shit about New York City and making it a better place to live, a test MANY mayors have not passed!

Plus, I’m hearing from everyone who’s in a position to know this that he’s been quite serious about hiring good people to his administration should he win, which is easily the most important part of the job of a New York mayor. I’m not AS pessimistic as I was a few months ago, put it that way—not exactly a strong endorsement but also he’s not Hassan Nasrallah, so y’know, that’s good. (I don’t even think he’s a communist or whatever; he’s just into the theatrically outré shit that a lot of people like him admire in politics, which is bad but not as bad as it could be. I hope.)

He's a dork, yeah, and a member of a vile organization (DSA), but I dunno, for whatever reason he strikes me as sincere. I mean he's three years younger than me, ffs, and has only been a state legislator, so he has no business running a city of 8.6 million with 300,000 municipal employees and so on—but if nothing else, I truly believe he WANTS to do a good job. If nothing else, he'll want to prove his many, many naysayers wrong, and like I said, he loves this city—that part I don't doubt for a moment. And that's what the mayor of New York should do, at a bare minimum, yet many have fallen short of that.

But hey, I’ll dutifully eat my words if this turns out to have been embarrassingly Pollyanna-ish. The menu of choices just sucks *so fucking bad*. Bring back dear old Michael Bloomberg ffs!

(Btw, I don't see, and never have seen, the appeal of Gavin Newsom, not even in the qualified way you describe, so I guess these people just hit everyone a bit differently. And sorry this is fucking long; this topic has been swirling in my head for months now—plus yours was long as hell too so we're even, lol.)

Tyler's avatar

I hear a lot of what you’re saying. I hated Lori Lightfoot for quite some time, and then met her in person at a wedding and she was 100x more personable in person than on TV.

So I see the conflict there but at least with Lori I am not sure if it changed my opinion of her political ability as so much of it is public facing and not one on one and she (to my mind) still fell flat on her face while talking to the public. I’m inclined to still think the same of Mamdani.

Lastly, I have met way way way too many politicians, state senators, congressional senators, mayors, governors, secretaries of state, secretary of health and human services, prior presidential candidates, etc. The one thing I think I’ve been most shocked by is how pretty much 100% of them WANT to do a good job. Even with all that experience I cannot help but doubt many many many politicians motives when they seem like total sacks of shit, and I definitely do still doubt motives. But, across the board from some of the people politically I hate the most to people I agree with, I have been shocked at the earnestness in person for their position. When you meet some of them and then see them somewhere on tv later, it will actually make you doubt your sanity of “did this person just pull the wool over my eyes that well?”.

I have absolutely zero political background, grew up with and have friends from very very very political families, and met more in college from very very very political families. And just through those relationships have crossed paths with more politicians than I would ever have wanted to.

Randolph Carter's avatar

I feel like this "we should elect underrepresented people" idea is pretty underbaked, we don't have many elected officials who are Nazis or murderers or under 4 feet tall or who can bench in excess of 400 lbs but for some reason only certain underrepresented groups who are assumed to share the worldview of the speaker deserve to get that extra representation I guess

Ameya A's avatar

Nobody's celebrating the first Asian-American FBI director, or female DHS secretary.

Randolph Carter's avatar

They're not politically asian-american or female so it doesn't count 🙄

Desiree's avatar

I'm a few episodes behind, so I don't know if anyone has mentioned the White House's Major Events Timeline, but it is absolutely hilarious. I mean, it's embarrassing that our president uses official websites to troll, and it is absolutely hilarious.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/the-white-house/

Spencer's avatar

I’m sick of sports gambling. It’s for degenerates. They make all their money off parlays. I don’t think there should be laws, but I hate it.

Sean's avatar

Agreed! I’m not saying outlaw it, but the normalization and even celebration of gambling is just disgusting.

It’s going to ruin a lot of lives, and it was so unnecessary. Legalization of online gambling is one thing. Having gaming firms advertise at or sponsor sporting events, announcers encouraging taking bets, players or former stars in ads - it’s asking for this kind of corruption. And it’s so easy - you used to have to go to OTB, a casino, or at least meet a bookie in person. Now you can do it on the toilet. I don’t think regulation is the answer, but there needs to be more stronger social norms against this.

I always think of this snl skit when sports gambling comes up: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wXZNuwY_5-U

I’m with Moynihan on this - you go to an underground poker game run by guys with think Long Island accents in track suits, if you don’t know you are being cheated, you are a moron.

Spencer's avatar

I read an article about all of their growth coming from high stakes parlays. Literally all the money they’re making is coming from long shots placed by idiots and degenerates. It’s mind blowing.

Edward Ashton, Jr.'s avatar

I don't know what a parlay is, and I intend to keep it that way.

Victor's avatar

I only know of it because of Uncut Gems, which if you haven’t seen it you should

Spencer's avatar

Also, the nba is less popular than soccer. It’s worse than professional wrestling.

Frank Scardino's avatar

The Paul O'Neill book referenced by the boys is not "Me and My Dad: A Baseball Memoir" but rather "The Price of Loyalty", which was a really well reported and interesting book, back when people gave more of a fuck about such things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Price_of_Loyalty

jot's avatar
Nov 4Edited

Listening to the episode, I was rather taken aback by Moynihans view that what Muslims dealt with post 9/11 wasn’t that bad and could’ve been way worse.

Obviously true that it could’ve been way worse, but those years weren’t exactly a dance around the maypole for anyone vaguely Muslim-looking.

Hate crimes shot up, harassment went through the roof, anyone vaguely south asian or arab looking lived under a cloud of suspicion. There was a palpable fear. I know this because I lived it!

It’s disappointing because I think the boys clearly understand these feelings (rightfully imo) in the context of say, rising antisemitism, as we’ve heard in previous episodes. For others though? Nah, not so bad apparently!

Cypresse's avatar

I really enjoyed Moynihan's expose on demonology last night. I didn't know he was so spiritual.

Dick from Brooklyn's avatar

I’m a “never fly coach” member. How much more do I have to pay to NOT get the video version? :)

Edward Ashton, Jr.'s avatar

Lol I've never watched the video version other than the first 15-20 minutes of the Megyn Kelly one (just wanted to see if her eyes glowed red when she got really angry, y'know). I just listen to it in my podcast app (Overcast, I think it's quite good). You can get the subscriber-only URL and add to an app like Overcast or whatever and just listen to it like you would any other podcast.